|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
724
   |
Posted - 2015.04.10 18:35:01 -
[1] - Quote
The margin for error that mordus ships and 10mn ab T3 dessies is the cancer. Couple that with links (which usually I have no issue with) and what you get is a quickly stagnating meta where ewar and logi balls become king even in small gangs.
I mention this because kiting without these ships actually requires skill when fighting someone that is also skilled at the game. More so when you engage a larger gang/fleet. The problem is that those that are skilled and want to be the hunter rather than the hunted gravitate to kiting simply because you can pick your fights. That simple really.
Sort out the crazy high end point ranges and 10mn ab t3 dessies and we'll go back to a world where kiting isn't something my cat can do if I shine a laser pointer at my keyboard.
Sure, people will still moan at kiters as risk averse bastards but that doesn't mean it's not balanced. It's just that kiters fly smart.
That is all. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
725
|
Posted - 2015.04.10 21:01:45 -
[2] - Quote
Doji Okakura wrote:I love ppl flying t3 dessies in pvp. The tears when i kill them are awesome, and they were even greater when the t3's cost 200-300mill 
That's odd, I see no t3 kills on your killboard.
Nor in fact more than 20 lifetime kills.
Perhaps you accidentally posted with an alt?
|
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
725
|
Posted - 2015.04.10 21:03:08 -
[3] - Quote
Plato Forko wrote:The only reason people even buy obviously OP ships is because there's no shortage of idiots willing to chase after them in obviously slower ships.
It's a bit of a straw man to blame ez-mode kiting on Garmurs because there's really nothing stopping anyone from getting kills the same way in a cheap attack frig with speed mods and long-range guns.
True plato but any skilled pilot will kill an idiot most of the time. The issue is that the mordus ships and t3 dessies makes that skill gap completely irrelevant. 2 skilled pilots, ones in one of these OP ships, ones not. The OP ship is getting away or getting a kill 99% of the time.
|
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
725
|
Posted - 2015.04.10 21:56:46 -
[4] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:There are no shortage to garmur counters.
Sentinel, reduces margin for error to minimal levels.
Cruor, reduces margin for error.
Hyena, reduces margin for error.
Dramiel, faster, tankier and more dps. Though weak vs defensive scram.
Multiple sniper corms or area denial coercers.
Element of surprise with an OH, dual overdrive derptron gets a lot of people garmur kills.
The one property that a boosted rep fleet point garmur has in common with all of these is its 2-200x more expensive.
There is no denying that kiting was a lot more challenging for me when i flew the maulus more, its incorrect to say there is no paper for the garmurs stone. Shiny killmails in space waiting to happen is a good thing.
Thanks for the input Crosi, while I'd say you have listed some fantastic counters to all kiters certainly in plexes I'd also say that perhaps I have not made my point clearly.
Why would I fly any of them when I could fly a garmur? In a garmur I can now engage a massive range of ships, or just leave. The ships you just listed are much more limited. I also don't want this to degenerate into solely an anti garmur post. I am very specifically gathering it, the orthrus and the t3 dessies into one pile. It's just too easy to get kills and run from people you don't like. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
725
|
Posted - 2015.04.11 11:21:07 -
[5] - Quote
Ria Nieyli wrote:Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:There are no shortage to garmur counters.
Sentinel, reduces margin for error to minimal levels.
Cruor, reduces margin for error.
Hyena, reduces margin for error.
Dramiel, faster, tankier and more dps. Though weak vs defensive scram.
Multiple sniper corms or area denial coercers.
Element of surprise with an OH, dual overdrive derptron gets a lot of people garmur kills.
The one property that a boosted rep fleet point garmur has in common with all of these is its 2-200x more expensive.
There is no denying that kiting was a lot more challenging for me when i flew the maulus more, its incorrect to say there is no paper for the garmurs stone. Shiny killmails in space waiting to happen is a good thing. Thanks for the input Crosi, while I'd say you have listed some fantastic counters to all kiters certainly in plexes I'd also say that perhaps I have not made my point clearly. Why would I fly any of them when I could fly a garmur? In a garmur I can now engage a massive range of ships, or just leave. The ships you just listed are much more limited. I also don't want this to degenerate into solely an anti garmur post. I am very specifically gathering it, the orthrus and the t3 dessies into one pile. It's just too easy to get kills and run from people you don't like. If they're so strong, why don't you fly them?
OOooh thats because I'm a scrub. I could, and I am sure I'd get lot's of lovely kills. I don't play EVE or shoot people in EVE for the killmail totals though. Beauty of a sandbox I suppose, we all get our thrills oneway or another.
Garmur - I do fly them but it's boring me shitless flying it. I like the rush of pvp and I rarely if ever get that from this ship.
Orthrus - My experience with the garmur tells me I would also not enjoy this.
T3 dessies - I'd be a hypocrite if I flew these, I am staunchly opposed to their inate flexibility in one ship. At least t3 cruisers have to refit.
|
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
725
|
Posted - 2015.04.11 11:32:01 -
[6] - Quote
Eh?
Ok so your input is useless :( |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
725
|
Posted - 2015.04.11 12:41:38 -
[7] - Quote
I also have an opinion on local politics yet have never stood for office. Does this mean I am not capable of making an informed decision based on engagements against these ships or talking to those more informed than I am?
You are yet to discredit what I've said, only trying to discredit the person saying it. I shall give you a 5/10 though since I responded to you. |
|
|
| |
|